Any reviews on 103 ovr Melo or Malone?

[Shaitaanbabu]

Guys:

1. They all play the same.
2. They all shoot ~65-75%.
3. Right hand, left hand, high arch, flat arch, corner, top of the key it does not matter.
4. There is no such thing as consistency
5. It is all in our heads.
6. And it's fun to believe that stats matter.
7. And it's hard to accept that stats don't matter in this game.
8. And EA are doing a good job messing our heads.
9. Some of us has been saying that for months (JukeNukem1432, Altavilla, ...), and it was proven several times in the past.

Think differently?
Just take a 100-200 shots sample size and see for yourselves.

I totally agree - How else would you justify 97 Bazemore shooting 3 pt with the same consistency as 101 Redick?

 

[Stewie309]

I

I believe I have done some tests in the past to support my claims.
You can find the data here:

• True 3pt shooting % Part I
• True 3pt shooting % Part II
• True 3pt shooting % Part III

But, I agree it is still not 100% proven.

Let's define an experiment that is accepted by all of us to see.
I am willing to dedicate some time for this.
I can play with the cards I own or any account you'll give me.
We can open the experiment to other participants as well to accelerate the results.

What I suggest is:

1. Choosing 5-10 players
2. Shooting 150 shots with each player. 50 corner, 50 top of the key, 50 from the wings.
3. Counting only +20 percent.
4. Not counting special abilities shots.
5. Shots has to be made in LvL or SD (not season or challenges)
6. Results will be put into a spreadsheet

WDYT?
Maybe we need a different thread for that...

Did all the testing I need in the 39 months I've been playing this game you can go back if you want but some things you never mentioned in your threads is shot form, hand, area, or player you shot with (in the team specific one part 3) I found it ridiculous how you assumed I was talking out of my ass with no leg to stand on

 

[ramizi]

Did all the testing I need in the 39 months I've been playing this game you can go back if you want but one thing you never mentioned in your threads is shot form and hand I found it ridiculous how you assumed I was talking out of my ass with no leg to stand on

All right man, I never assumed "your were talking out of your ass with no leg to stand on".
I never meant to disrespect your opinion or your experience.
I was just curious to know for myself so I started doing these experiments to know.
I wanted the math to speak and not the human experience because experience can be tricky.
To me this is what the numbers show.

You don't want to do another consensus experiment - fine, let's just agree to disagree like you initially proposed.

As for my past experiments:

All the players I shot with (Magic, Curry, Jamal Murray, Doug McDermott & Devin Booker) were right handed as far as I know.​

I can estimate I am shooting ~60% from the corners, 20% top of the key & 20% wings.​

 

[Stewie309]

All right man, I never assumed "your were talking out of your ass with no leg to stand on".
I never meant to disrespect your opinion or your experience.
I was just curious to know for myself so I started doing these experiments to know.
I wanted the math to speak and not the human experience because experience can be tricky.
To me this is what the numbers show.

You don't want to do another consensus experiment - fine, let's just agree to disagree like you initially proposed.

As for my past experiments:

All the players I shot with (Magic, Curry, Jamal Murray, Doug McDermott & Devin Booker) were right handed as far as I know.​

I can estimate I am shooting ~60% from the corners, 20% top of the key & 20% wings.​

Exactly how are you supposed to say you compared what I was talking about when you didn't that was my point because I know there are no experiments that anyone else has put to paper to dispute what I said if you have ever used a lefty you will see that more often than a righty they can hit 5 straight then miss 6 straight while a righty can usually make it pretty even across all quarters outside of the overall nerf that's why more people have issues with Harden shooting than just about every single other player used for volume shooting and about the arc of you study that as well you will see it increases consistency even more for some reason Ibaka is a good example in that department

 

[betaman411]

Unless you play against the same team for all 150 shots, your experiment has a significantly higher amount of variables that will go unaccounted (eg opponent players, OVR, boosts etc).

From what I’ve seen with my own experience from EA, they take a relatively simple approach to this game whenever possible. This season more than any other seems to reward higher team OVR above all else. Boosts seem to matter when they increase player OVR that results in team OVR changes. My personal opinion is there is some random variable when being matched in SD or choosing a lvl opponent. One day I can go +25 in lvl and the next +8. I even had a goose egg the other day against a Top 40 team. Seems really strange to me how difficult the matches are depending on the rank (or maybe it’s the overall Team OVR as some have suggested) that makes such a huge difference in lvl.

This week in SD I finished Legend before the 3v3 promo and noticed a difference too. This can be explained though as most of the better players are highly ranked in SD early in the season so competition is stiffer. Bottom line is the so-called advantage (or disadvantage) is way more significant than the percentage shown.

 

[ramizi]

Exactly how are you supposed to say you compared what I was talking about when you didn't that was my point because I know there are no experiments that anyone else has put to paper to dispute what I said if you have ever used a lefty you will see that more often than a righty they can hit 5 straight then miss 6 straight while a righty can usually make it pretty even across all quarters outside of the overall nerf that's why more people have issues with Harden shooting than just about every single other player used for volume shooting and about the arc of you study that as well you will see it increases consistency even more for some reason Ibaka is a good example in that department

OK
I've played with multiple versions of Harden in S2 and this season and don't recall any of its cards having higher/fewer cold/hot streaks comparing to other cads.
If you'd like to suggest the terms and cards for the experiment I can do my best to perform it.

 

[Stewie309]

OK
I've played with multiple versions of Harden in S2 and this season and don't recall any of its cards having higher/fewer cold/hot streaks comparing to other cads.
If you'd like to suggest the terms and cards for the experiment I can do my best to perform it.

I don't keep a list of players with a certain hand or shot form I was actually thinking about making a thread asking for help with a list players with high arching shots for a few weeks now but never got around to making it

 

[ramizi]

Unless you play against the same team for all 150 shots, your experiment has a significantly higher amount of variables that will go unaccounted (eg opponent players, OVR, boosts etc).

From what I’ve seen with my own experience from EA, they take a relatively simple approach to this game whenever possible. This season more than any other seems to reward higher team OVR above all else. Boosts seem to matter when they increase player OVR that results in team OVR changes. My personal opinion is there is some random variable when being matched in SD or choosing a lvl opponent. One day I can go +25 in lvl and the next +8. I even had a goose egg the other day against a Top 40 team. Seems really strange to me how difficult the matches are depending on the rank (or maybe it’s the overall Team OVR as some have suggested) that makes such a huge difference in lvl.

This week in SD I finished Legend before the 3v3 promo and noticed a difference too. This can be explained though as most of the better players are highly ranked in SD early in the season so competition is stiffer. Bottom line is the so-called advantage (or disadvantage) is way more significant than the percentage shown.

Totally agree about the higher OVR this season & also in S2 after they changed their position based scoring.
I don't agree regarding the "too many variables" argument. If 2 cards score the same (let's say +-5%) on the same team over 150 or 200 shots, I would conclude there is no significant differences in their shooting ability; despite playing different opponents.

 

[bigballer607]

I totally agree - How else would you justify 97 Bazemore shooting 3 pt with the same consistency as 101 Redick ?

Well, if 97 Bazemore is making 3s against you with the same consistency as 101 Redick, you have to improve your defence asap.

Also, the coaches are very important this season. The right combination marks the gameplay consistency.

 

[betaman411]

Totally agree about the higher OVR this season & also in S2 after they changed their position based scoring.
I don't agree regarding the "too many variables" argument. If 2 cards score the same (let's say +-5%) on the same team over 150 or 200 shots, I would conclude there is no significant differences in their shooting ability; despite playing different opponents.

I don’t disagree that a random sampling should average things out a bit but let’s say you’re a 101 and the average OVR you play against with one player is 100 and the other is 102 (over 150 shots) then you don’t agree that the shot percentage will be affected by more than just your advantage/disadvantage in those matchups?

 

[Shaitaanbabu]

Well, if 97 Bazemore is making 3s against you with the same consistency as 101 Redick, you have to improve your defence asap.

Also, the coaches are very important this season. The right combination marks the gameplay consistency.

No what I meant aas that I had Redick at my SG position for a while but gameplay-wise it didn't seem like much of an upgrade from Bazemore, so I sold him for some profit on the AH.

 

[ramizi]

I don’t disagree that a random sampling should average things out a bit but let’s say you’re a 101 and the average OVR you play against with one player is 100 and the other is 102 (over 150 shots) then you don’t agree that the shot percentage will be affected by more than just your advantage/disadvantage in those matchups?
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Yes, in that case that the AVG opponent OVR has 2 points diff I agree it will not be a reliable experiment indeed.
Need to make sure the AVG opponent OVR is close, which I don't think is very hard to achieve.

 

[betaman411]

So my point is that you need to track more than just your shot % (note: maybe you already did as I didn’t look at the detail of your experiments).

 

[timsg0102]

I have chosen Melo because he's definitely an upgrade over KJ's over 102 card, and my offence usually goes thru the guards and wing..